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. this is a big, big debate on wednesday night. this is much bigger than the mccain-obama debate. >> today mitt romney traveled from boston to colorado where the debate will be held as a major player in romney's fund raiser confirmed to fox business that a few new york donors have backed away from financial commitments to the romney campaign and instead said they will spend their money to help the republicans hold on to the house of represents and pick up seats in the senate. the debates will be very important, said one person with knowledge of the matter. if romney does well, that money could come back. >>> new jersey's governor, chris christie the current front runner for the presidential nomination 2016 has decided his job is to state the obvious. >> it's a huge night. we've had a bad couple of weeks and we want to turn this around and if you want to turn it around you've got to perform on the stage. they try to say the president is not that good a debater or mitt romney is a little scared of the president. those are the professional consultants and politicians who get paid to spin you guys.
room." >>> happening now, just two days before the first obama/romney debate and our new cnn national poll shows the president's lost, lost his post-convention bounce. but there's a different story in the battleground states. >>> mitt romney could make a huge impact on the supreme court. how he could change the direction of the court for decades. >>> they make $10 a day to put their lives on the line. but they could lose their job ifs they don't lose some weight. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we're now just 36 days from the presidential election and nationally our brand-new cnn/orc poll of likely voters shows the race between president obama and governor romney remaining up for grabs. the president leads 50% to 47%. but his three-point margin is within the poll's sampling error. our chief national correspondent john king is in denver getting ready for the debate over there. that's the site of the debate. john, take us into these numbers. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, wolf, i can tell you this, talking to senior officials in the romney campaign, they b
this evening in las vegas, nevada, with three days until the first debate between president obama and mitt romney, both campaigns are kicking the expectations game into high gear. here's david plouffe on "meet the press" this morning. >> we have expected all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history and he's shown himself to be a good debater through the years. >> joining me now, ann murray, a romney campaign surrogate, former communications director for governor tim pawlenty's presidential campaign. anne marie, good afternoon to you. so now governor romney at his campaign headquarters today for some debate prep. we understand that that debate prep has turned into a full-scale dress rehearsal this afternoon. tomorrow he's on the campaign trail. is he ready for wednesday night? >> i think, i think so. i think it's going to be a great opportunity for governor romney to finally have his chance on the stage. to be up against president obama and i think he'll finally get an opportunity to cut through all the negative noise and the clutte
romney outshines president obama in their first debate. >>> raising the stakes in the ongoing civil war in syria. >>> baseball has its first triple crown winner since 1967. >>> and who would want to tear down a house by one of america's greatest architects? >>> we begin with a look at today's "eye opener" your world in 90 seconds. >>> millions of americans have been buried. they're just being crushed. >> mitt romney goes on the offensive at the first presidential debate. >> five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> you're entitled as the president, you own an airplane and you own a house but not to your own facts. >> romney was able to out obama obama. >> we don't know whether debates matter but we do know debates over whether debates matter matter. >>> syrian targets in retaliation from shelling from syria that struck a border village, killing five civilians. >> very, very dangerous situation. >>> a rare and deadly meningitis outbreak from steroid injection s is spreading. so far four people have died. >>> miguel cabrera has won the triple crown s
romney hunkered down in washington on final debate preparation and president obama on the campaign trail in the swing state of nevada. for now, the strong sense of optimism from team romney. vice-presidential nominee, congressman paul ryan in an interesting brushed aside polls showing president obama leading in several key state telling anchor chris wallace, governor romney will win come november. and one of his most outspoken supporters, new jersey governor chris christie, also making a bold prediction that governor romney will do very well and his performance could change the whole race. here is governor christy from earlier today. >> he's going to come in wednesday night and have his vision for america and he's to contrast what his view is and the president's record is and the president's view for the future and the race will be turned upside down thursday morning. >> harris: we'll kick off our coverage with campaign carl cameron. and republicans are trying to draw a distinction betweening mr. obama and the republicans leading up to wednesday night. >> they have and mitt romney has be
with rob portman who's playing the role of president obama in these debate prep sessions. for president obama his foe mitt romney, massachusetts senator john kerry. they've been working on this debate for months and months. an interesting story over the weekend, a passage about what mitt romney's been doing. this from the "new york times." it says, "mr. romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he has memorizened and has been tracksing on aides since august." now, they're right debates are about moments but ain an amusin image. mitt romney sitting in a room peppering them with zingers. i would like to be on the wall hearing that. >> not about zingers, serious substantive policy. and in "the washington post" showing a virtual dead heat with the president and mitt romney. obama with a slight edge. 49-47%. but also in this survey, it delves down into the expectations game for this debate. what can you tell me about those numbers, peter? >> reporter: despite what chris christie said, and that is sort of another mixed me
-to-head debates in a general election format. that's been president obama. governor romney hasn't. >> reporter: during the primaries romney demonstrated he can stumble. as he did trying to bet rick perry big money at one debate. >> rick, i'll tell you what, $10,000? $10,000 bet? >> reporter: but romney is no debate lightweight here taking down newt gingrich's idea for a moon colony in florida. >> if i had a business executive come to me and say they wanted to spend a few hundred billion dollars to put a colony on the moon, i'd say you're fired. >> reporter: while romney stays behind closed doors, he's fine tuning his message softening his position on immigration. allowing the children of undocumented workers to stay in the country until immigration reform is passed. he's also out with a tough new ad linking president obama to former house speaker nancy pelosi. >> who will raise taxes on the middle class? barack obama and the liberals already have. >> reporter: fresh ammunition for tomorrow night's debate at an event earlier today in charlotte, north carolina, wolf, biden said how can the romne
presidential debate. president obama will stay in nevada for the next few days to wrap up final preparations. he campaigned in las vegas last night to a group of 11,000 supporters and in an effort to manage his expectations said he's just an okay debater. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. >> you will. >> i don't know about that. president romney is a good debater. >> that is in response to reports that romney is prepping and plans on taking jabs at the president. obama spokeswoman is saying don't expect the president to fire any blows and he looks forward to continuing his conversation with the american people. the president is traveling with a prep team, david axelrod anita dunn and senator john kerry. kerry is playing romney during the mock debates with the president. the team is hunkering down to get the president ready. romney is campaigning in denver today with a stop with the wings over the rockies museum. paul ryan is at a rally in iowa. early voting in iowa is now underway. a washington post poll out this morning shows 63% o
is pushing the candidates for gun violence plans. obama and romney meet for the debate in two-days. >> let's go to an extreme weather alert. the early breaks a 76-year-old flood record in ballenger, texas. it reached over 30 feet over the weekend. you are looking at nearby video of a park that is completely under water. you can see it right there. police are letting residents start to return to their homes. they were forced to evacuate on saturday. >> historians up and arms over a new green project. they want to cover an unused runway with solar panels. it says the site should be preserved as sacred ground. the project under consideration would cover the 4,000 foot runway and 14 acres of land with 60,000 solar energy panels by 2020. those are your top 5 at 5:30. >>> we are two-days away from the first presidential debate. final preps are underway for a mile high show down. doug luzader is live from washington. >>> it kind of borders on the surge. these guys start heaping praise on one another. to hear the president tell it as he did last night mitt romney his opponent has skills he can't m
off with president obama in the first presidential debate. we will hear more from paul ryan about what he thinks romney has to do to woifrn the undecided voters. >>> let's talk about the weather now. shall we? >> maria molina is here with a look at our current temperatures. >> good morning ainsley and heather. good to see you this morning. good morning everyone. we are starting off on a cool note across portions of the great lakes. 44 in the city of cleveland. as we head eastbound new york city looking at the current temperature on the cool side as well as 54 degrees. if you live out west warm temperatures get ready anywhere from montana into the portion of the central rockies. you will notice a drop in temperatures. today on the warm side upper 70s down into portions of utah. you will be talking about actually some snow by midweek out there. also some freezing temperatures. inbound 70 not too bad. parts of the southeast, in the southeast dealing with thunderstorms could produce severe weather from panhandle to mississippi and alabama. that storm will bring heavy sri rain across parts
the bright lights of the debate stage, heralding president obama's talents at going this. i'm curious dana, do you think chris christie went off script earlier today, when he said, come thursday morning, we're going to be talking about the outstanding job that mitt rom y romney. he's supposed to be saying my guy has a speech impediment. >> here comes the comical that reed was talking about. he has to come out attacking and trying to dislodge obama. >> did he emerge from any one of them as a clear winner, dana? >> there wasn't any -- he was solid, but with a couple of exceptions, but in each one you would say he won on points. there was no knockout, he was very skilled at that, but that's not to say that obama isn't. i don't think either of them is sort of the classic college debater. but they're both very capable. i'm going out to denver and getting some popcorn and enjoy the show. >> president obama is meeting with seniors and he's talking about medicare. >> mid romney said at the time were he president in this past, he would sign it into law. sign into law the requirement you all come u
to prove on wednesday? >> barack obama he and hiss choice would haven't the debate. after all today's polls are up nine points in ohio. it looks like these debates are just the rapids the president has to go through. if he didn't have them, it would be fair sailing. so for mitt romney, these debates are essential. he's going to have to show that he's presidential. so far when he went to the olympic and maybe gaffed and he stumbled with that 44%. they're not sure they can live with the guy for four years so mitt romney has to really be the one that comes out the winner. he's got to score. >> there was a time between the famous kennedy-nixon tapes that there were no televised debates. why are they considered so vital now? >> well, the kennedy-nixon debates created so much attention in 1960. many people think that's why ted kennedy won. if you recall ford made famously the gap that -- and then certainly by 1980, ronald reagan was very behind in the polls was just able to tidal wave over jimmy carter with quips like there you go again in a sort of staged format. since 1980, they have become par
voters, a 2-1 margin, expect president obama to win the upcoming debate and the election. that's his biggest lead so far when it comes to expectations. >> but when it comes to the race itself and support for each candidate, a lot closer with the president leading 49% to 47%. we get more of wednesday's debate in denver from abc's karen travers. >> reporter: president obama arrived in nevada for three days of what campaign aide are calling debate camp. but he took a break to rally supporters in that critical battleground state. >> i believe in you. and i ask you to keep on believing in me. >> reporter: both the president and mitt romney will hunker down over the next few days as they huddle with senior advisers to prepare for wednesday's high-stakes showdown in denver. in recent days aides to both campaigns have been bending over backwards to compliment their opponent and downplay expectations for their side. new jersey governor chris christie set a high bar for romney. >> this is the first moment when the american people are going to be able to see these two guys side by side, laying
as they have done in the last week. president obama is a great debater. the way i recall it, brooke, in the last presidential campaign, debates were not president obama's strengths. in fact, he's a much better speechmaker than he is a debater. and don't forget, he hasn't debated an awful lot lately. when the president of the united states and you're in the oval office, people tend not to debate with you an awful lot. you live in the presidential bubble. he hasn't been on stage with other people challenging him. so in a way, he sort of has got to get used to this routine over and over again, where as mitt romney has been on a debate stage an awful lot of times. >> if i recall, you were in a lot of those debates, he's tough, he's no wallflower that mitt romney. what is his biggest challenge, though? going into wednesday? >> the biggest challenge, i think mitt romney has got to do a couple of things. they're at odds with each other. first thing goehe's got to do i take on president obama directly when it comes to policy. what he has to tell the voters is i've got a better plan for an e
>> eric: the first presidential debate coming up in 72 hours -- obama, romney, fox, we'll be on it. >> jamie: it's the place to be. have a great day. shannon bream takes it away. >> stagnation versus growth, dependency versus opportunity and upward mobility. that's the classic choice, clear difference that we are offering. >> the three days until the first presidential debate. both candidates will be stepping off the campaign trail. get ready. it's a tight race in key battleground states and that has many republicans calling for romney go on offense, when he takes the stage on wednesday in denver. we begin america's news headquarters with carl cameron. we understand that romney is prepare for example wednesday's debate. any word on when we can expect. >> reporter: he's been preparing, arguably for seven years or more, but very, very aggressive in the last few months. he will go mind the doors and do additional rehearsing, talking with the staff about how to do this. the evolution has changed a little bit. he has been doing a lot of mock debates with ohio senator rob portman, thrs b
. >> that is president obama from the debate this week on the role of government. let us listen to his challenger mitt romney with his answer. and then we will begin listening to you. [video clip] >> have a responsibility to and libertiesthe lives of the american people. in another one that says we are endowed by our creator with our rights, i believe we must maintain our commitment to religious tolerance and freedom in this country. the statement also says that we are endowed by our creator with the right to pursue happiness as we choose. i interpret that as one making sure that those people who are less fortunate that cannot care for themselves are cared for by one another. we are a nation of belize we are all children of the same god. and we care for those that have difficulties, those that of elderare elderly and have probl. a desire to provide the pursuit of happiness for all americans. and for individuals, the right to pursue their dreams. not to of the government subject itself for the rights of free individuals. what we are seeing right now is, in my view, a trickle down government approach be
more ones when day's debate in denver from abc's karen travers. >> reporter: president obama arrived in nevada for three days of what campaign aide are calling debate camp. he took a break to rally supporters in the critical battleground state. >> i believe in you. and i ask you to keep on believing in me. >> reporter: both the president and mitt romney will hunker down over the next few days as they huddle with senior advisers to prepare for wednesday's high-stakes showdown in denver. in recent days aides to both campaigns have been bending overbackwards to compliment their opponent. and downplay expectation for their side. new jersey governor chris christie set a high bar for romney. >> this is the first moment when the american people are going to be able to see the two guys side by side laying out their vision unfiltered. i think that will be a purrfowe moment for mitt romney. >> reporter: they're preparing for romney to come armed. >> they've been practicing zingers for months. >> reporter: abc news political analyst, matt dowd says at this point, romney and obama advisers are s
crowley yesterday on "state of the union." john mccain the last man to debate president obama. >> i think both are excellent in their own way. i think you could argue that mitt has had a lot more recent experience. obviously. but also, candy, part of it depends on who's moderating. >> the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debate per. this is mitt's first time on this kind of stage. >> paul ryan on the sunday talk shows. the running mate talking down expeations. look at this count. brand-new from abc news/"washington post" this morn ing. who's more likely to win the debates? the president by 20-some points. a lot of americans think the president will have the upper hand on wednesday night in denver. >> we'll see. many thanks. cnn's live coverage of wednesday night's debate starts at 7:00 eastern. >>> syria is expected to try to justify its actions in its bloody civil war when its foreign minister speaks before the united nations general assembly later this morning. nearly 30,000 people across syria have been killed. in the next hour look at the how the un
the election. obama cowl make a gaffe. mitt would win the debates, go could send a flood to destroy all mankind. ( laughter ) so there's hope. >> schieffer: short of building an ark, what is romney's best chance. we'll ask new jersey governor chris christie, and one-time adversary, newt gingrich. so far romney is sticking to a familiar theme, but does he need to do more? >> i will lower the tax rate. he wants to creat to raise them. i'll create jobs and he'll kill them. also marsha blackburn, bob shrum, and larry sabato from the university of virginia center for politics. as we head into first presidential debate, we'll talk about the state of america at home and abroad with the distinguished panel. michelle rhee, former head of the washington, d.c. school system and founder of students first. economist mark zandi of moody analytics. bob woodward, author of "the price of politics" and hendrick smith, author of the new book "who stole the american dream?." it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schief
on it. here's the deal. romney's not going to try to bring it up in the debate. nor will president obama because the moment you do, you have opened the door for your opponent to actually you out. so, responsibility's going to rest on the debate moderator, who is not going to do it, but again, what people are saying is can i get somebody to tell me the truth? you can cross words all you want to, but there are some things called undeniable truth. so no matter how you want to dance around it, some things are very clear. >> there's also such a thing as throwi throwing things against the wall and that is what the obama campaign has been effective at doing and the romney campaign hasn't been. >> the romney campaign, they have been -- i can show you the proof. go to our website. again, you have campaigns -- >> check up on after the fact. >> my point, you said earlier -- i said absolutely. if you have that many eyeballs watching and this is -- >> we can go back and hear the the transcript. i said it's subjective and unclear and you can manipulate late the process. >> so some things, but there ar
as president obama. the entire race of this presidency is gonna be changing. >> he's a good debater, mitt romney. >> let's go to jamie dupree via skype what. is being said -- skype. what is being said? >> reporter: well, usually, my guy is gonna be -- he's the champ and has been. mitt romney has had a lot more speniance in the last year or so -- experience in the last year or so. think about all of those debates for the gop nomination. romney always seemed to come ready to those debates with one or two-liner zingers. obvious you will, when there's only -- obviously when there's only two people here it will be only mitt romney and president obama. i would say one thing when it comes to expectations, we always talk up these debates and then they seem to be a borging -- boring muddle. i don't remember any good lines from considerry or mccain -- kerry or -- from kerry and mccain. >> this is divided up into six different sections, correct? >> yes. >> this first debate is all on domestic issue. the first three segments will all be on economic matters. then there will be one on health care, one
the first presidential debate. president obama's campaign trying to lower expectations by saying he is at the disadvantage. >> now challengers tend to do really well in debate. that's been moment we believed all along governor romney probably has more benefit out of this debate potentially than we do. >> gretchen: republican vp nominee paul ryan agrees and says mitt romney will show voters there is a clear choice. >> people will see is who is mitt romney? what kind a president will be and what are the choices i have? that, to me s what matters in this debate and alt debates, which is i know what president obama has done. i know all of these empty promise, broken promises. i know about the ugly stagnant economy. what is mitt romney and paul ryan offering? that's what we'll get out of wednesday. >> gretchen: the denver debate will focus on domestic policy. >>> the search for a houston mom ending in tragedy. police found her body in odessa, texas, more than 500 miles away from her apartment. her ex-boyfriend reportedly led authorities to her remains and is under investigation. no murde
, everybody. our "starting point" this morning, debate showdown. president obama and mitt romney preparing to face off. each down playing expectations. why the first debate may be the most important of them all. >>> mixed messages. white house officials insist president obama has always treated the libya attack on the u.s. consulate as a terrorist attack. republicans say that is just not the case. >>> swrts nchwarzenegger's secr. bodybuilder turned movie star turned politician, around schwarzenegger, opens up about the affair with his housekeeper and admits this was one in a fairly long list of lies. a packed show. republican congressman ted poe of texas is our gift. adam schiff. sheryl wudunn and nicolas christoff. it's monday, october 1st. "starting point" begins right "starting point" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> good morning, welcome everybody. our team with us this morning. a writer for new yorker.com. ron brownstein . and kellyanne conway. i think for the first time. >> yes. >> nice to have you with us. you all had a good weekend? >> kelly and i, we've
in libya reflects only one part of a larger problem. >> the response was slow. it's inconsistent. the obama foreign policy is unraveling before our eyes on our tv screens. bill: governor romney will give a major foreign policy speech soon after the first debate ends. the first debate ends wednesday night, as you know. martha: marshalackburn has also criticized the white house response. she'll join us on what she thinks should happen next. we are getting reports of another homicide bombing killing 14 people, two of them americans. the bomber drove into a nato patrol. doug mcelway joins us live. it was a couple weeks ago the u.s. suspended patrols with afghan soldiers because of these insider attacks. have these joint patrols resumed now? >> reporter: they have. they resumed last thursday and the insider attacks have also resumed. not only the attack you just mentioned but also the suicide bomber attack, homicide bomber attack. the motorcycle laden with explosives drove into that marketplace. critics say this attacks reflect an obama foreign policy that refuses to acknowledge the reality on t
" used at all during the debate last night? that was a measure not only of president obama's this engagement, but mitt romney not wanting to bring in up, and jim lehrer, i don't know what was going on. . host: laura is a republican. hi, laura, you are on. caller: i wanted to say to katrina, if you want to talk about common sense policies, maybe you need to listen to rush limbaugh and maybe you need to really listen to what mr. romney said about this economy. if you are concerned about poverty, do you know that the number one group tracked in poverty is single thing all households -- single female soul? you need to look at stuff that the conservatives are saying because they care about the portrait they don't want people trapped in poverty. they know what small businesses, which employs 60-70% of the citizens and in this country, taxed more. if you tax small business, they are not going to hire. i don't know how you don't figure out what mr. romney so eloquently said in that debate. talking about politics of the 1% or the 47%, conservatives want the best for all folks, and y
-on-one presidential debate. bill: how are they playing the expectations team, president obama's team? >> they were in nevada, they are tog much th doing much the same thing. they set up a debate camp at the west lynn lake lain lake las vegas resort. even though he was thought to win all three debates back in 2008 he was playing down expeck i stations for himself yesterday. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who is going to have the best zingers [you are ] >> i don't know about that, who is going to put the most points on the board. [you are ] >> no, no, governor romney he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> reporter: i'm just okay i think a lot of people would say he's a little better than just okay. do the debates really matter? sometimes they do, 1960 they established john kenny as a bonafide candidate. we remember the reagan debates and the zinger lines he had. what happened with gerald ford, and al gore losing a lot of points to george bush in 2000. we could safely say again, bill in the overall these debates don't seem to move things all that much. >> it's must-see tv for
'm not sure if the debate is the right place to do it. after the paul ryan speech, you have the obama campaign referring to the lies in paul ryan's speech and that's echoed by president obama's allies in the media. when you don't have the romney campaign's response robustly. for example, president obama has been running ads claiming that mitt romney's going to race taxes on the middle class. now, mitt romney has never made that claim. this is coming from a report making all kinds of arguments. and he's made all kinds of assumptions that the romney campaign has rejected. >> he's trying to close a lot of loopholes i know he doesn't want to close in order to make that true. >> also puts harvey rosen, you can also generate enough growth to avoid a middle class tax increase. there are a loft credible folks saying something else. it's a fact he's going to raise middle class tax. >> the obama campaign, david plouffe is a chris christie of the campaign saying their campaign is built on a tripod of lies and the president has said sometimes they just make things up. so it sounds like the democratic side
ups and downs. at the debate last night, they fact-checked obama on the $5 trillion deficit, which was truly the romney mendacity -- on romney's front, i forget what they were fact checking but it was much more serious. you need voices inside and outside the democratic party, citizens of conscience, to call out when they hear the media not getting to the bottom of the issue. our media, let's be honest, has treated the campaign as a horse race. look at the debate. as i mentioned earlier, it was treated more like a theater performance than actually grappling with the substance. president obama, if you look of the coverage, i'm sure 92% of it had more to do with how disengaged he was than the actual substance. that is not helping for a country that prides itself on being a democracy with engaged and knowledgeable citizens. host: we are almost out of time. i will try to get two students in. guest: i will be brief. host: bolivia is a political science major. >> my question has to do with the rhetoric involving "the war on women" and the recent article he wrote. is it fair to classify wo
not exclusively but disproportionately for romney rather than obama. does that make the wednesday debate and those thereafter more relevant, more vital for americans? >> i think a lot of people will be tuning in to kind of hear this contrast that exists. i think key word after four years, if you're happy with the economy where it is, where the debt where it is and as you point out the word is persuadable. i think we were persuaded in 2008 but now time for results and people aren't seeing them. so i think at this point what they want to do is continue from mitt romney and paul ryan to move america forward. >> that would be good if we could hear a plan. >> that didn't work out. that didn't work out. they want to learn more about governor romney. gregg: one at a time. >> and move this country in new direction. gregg: brad, you get the last word. >> that would be great. if they would lay out a specific plan and that's what we would love to see in the debates. paul ryan said yesterday that he didn't have time to tell the american people about their tax plan. so sean, we'll hold governor romney -- >> le
gore, you have president obama losing three debates, it can happen. but let's say you lose ohio, suddenly mitt romney has to win north carolina. he has to win virginia. he has to win iowa. he has to win new hampshire. he has to win colorado. he has to win nevada. and, of course, he has to win florida, which he's losing now. by the way, if you don't win florida, we're not even having this discussion. let's talk about what we're getting for christmas. >> it's clear that in looking for a path to 270 electoral votes for romney without ohio, we're neither predicting or hoping it will happen, we're simply running the numbers. ohio is -- >> are we going to have to caveat for the rest of the year? >> almost always, just for that. the left is still a little restive. >> particularly fox news is in on the conspiracy polls. >> closing the auto bailout, not strong support from evangelicals, and it's more of a populist state than some of these others. so he can get to 270 without ohio because there may be a rising tide that lifts all the other battleground states, it doesn't quite get him all
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